Saturday, June 5, 2010

My Thai Font

Saturday, June 5, 2010

The best man at Julian and Janny's wedding decided that he wanted to surprise them with a cake. It was supposed to have "congratulations" written on it in both English and Thai since the bride was from Thailand.

Unfortunately, however, somewhere along the line someone's computer (probably a pc*) didn't recognize the Thai font (surprise, surprise), and so changed the font to...

waaait for it...

You guessed it! Gibberish!

(Or more precisely, gibberish that means nothing to anyone other that a few computer programmers who will no doubt point out my immense stupidity and poor lineage in the comment section.)

What gets me is that not only did the guy who printed it out not notice, but the hugely talented decorator didn't question it, either! For some reason I'm picturing a perfectly groomed English guy in a starched jacket and cummerbund saying, "Hm, yes, well. This is a tad awkward. But tally ho! Onward! What what! Good night, Westley! Good work! Sleep well! I'll most likely kill you in the morning!"

Wait, no. That's the Dread Pirate Roberts. Anyway.

Thanks to Julian and Janny
*Actually, it was a Commodore 64

Update: Apparently the font is not gibberish. It's called Mojibake or "an unintelligible sequence of characters." So, ya know. Gibberish. Only not gibberish. Everybody clear? Good good...
Rachael said...

it is a very pretty cake though.

I think you forgot the S on surprise at the beginning, btw.

Nathaniel Hoffelder said...

Not to nitpick, but those aren't wingdings. The accented characters may not be used much in English, but they are in other languages.

Fanboy Wife said...

I once had a classmate turn in a paper in wingdings because the teacher said we could use any font we liked. (My computer actually has 3 versions of that dreaded font.)

Galadriel said...

Where'd the first part of the post go? The part before "urprise"? I'm sure it'[s supposed to be there...

Miff said...

Um.... that's not Wingdings. It's Mojibake.

Avenphire said...

First of all, most modern PCs have foreign font packs installed (I'm talking Windows 7 here). Second of all that isn't Wingdings. They're just the closest ASCII representation of Thai characters. I enjoy Cakewrecks as much as the next person but don't go around bashing things because out of plain ignorance or you will lose a reader.

Margaret said...

I used to type Bible verses in wingding and make a legend for my Sunday School class. I can't think of another use.

Tricia L said...

Uh, john, did you really mean to start this with "urprise" or was that a wreckerator mistake?

Anyway, it is nice to see how to translate "congratulations" into Thai and then into Wingding. (No one uses Wingding because they can never figure out what key to hit to get the character.)

Reba said...

Looks like the beginning of this post was somehow cut off! :( But the general gist of the post is understood~.

The decorator spent so much time making it look nice! How could he not notice a flub like that? xD

Anonymous said...

Yes, I'm sure they were very "urprised."

Anonymous said...

Hi John,

The first line or so of today's post is missing. I'm using Firefox and the first thing that appears under the title is "urprise them with a cake..."

Thanks for your and Jen's hard work!

Jenniffer said...

YAY! Bonus Saturday post AND Princess Bride references! It's going to be a great day after all!

Tamar said...

Jen, John- Great Post. Totally Hilarious.

And seriously- anybody else, lighten a bit.

I'm a PC, and I am not easily offended. Otherwise, I would not read blogs snarking about things, because everything would offend me.

Anonymous said...

Gotta say, I think this is more of the cake orderers error than the cake maker. If that's what he/she/they signed off on, then I think the decorator actually did a great job! And by the way, that's Klingon, not wingdings...

john (the hubby of Jen) said...

Hey guys,

First off...

Umm. Whoops. Apparently we found a NEW and GLORIOUS thing that is wrong with our format. I don't know what happened but I'm blaming Google.

Second...

Julian, the submitter, told me that the font was Wingdings and so I went with it. I have now changed it to gibberish which I don't believe is a font and I'm sure is still wrong.

Finally...

Avenphire,

Please accept my deepest apologies that I offended you so terribly with my lack of knowledge and my blatant disregard for the true nature of the font in question. My Father was a hamster and my mother smelled of elderberries.

john

Linda said...

I'm thai, and this made me chuckle so much this morning. too funny!

Jessica said...

It's a good thing though that yummy cakes need no translation!!!

Like music, food is an international language as well! Yum!

jessyburke88@gmail.com

Larissa said...

This post made me actually laugh out loud, which is saying a lot since it's still a.m. on a Saturday and I haven't had coffee.

Jen said...

I <3 that you're as big a fan of Princess Bride as I am. I squee inside each time you quote it.

Anonymous said...

Wingdings, gibberish.. whatever.

If nothing else, when I first saw the cake, I thought that the names were Tulian and Tanny. The J looks just like a cursive T.

Ian the Computer Nerd said...

I think what happened is the customer sent the email in ISO-8859-11 (Thai) encoding and the bakery's software read it as ISO-8859-1 (Western). Working backwards, that would give ขอให้โใชคดี. Although Google doesn't quite know how to translate that, so I might have messed up my math. Or the baker misspelled the nonsense.

Mrs. Jennifer said...

John - I have to tell ya' - LOVE the way you always know in advance that there will be some commentors who have an answer for and get offended over everything!! You completely rule!

Caroline B said...

John, you crack me up........I think gibberish may well be my second language - why do you think I have this outrrrageous accent....

Eat Cake said...

"As...you...wiiiiissssshhhh" hehehehehe. I want to know who comes up with these fonts and then find someone besides a computer programmer who can read them. I kind of think that the people printing and writing out the font, have never seen the Thai language so they just assumed that it was like hieroglyphics or something.

Maren said...

First off, if you start a sentence with "hate to be a stickler" or "not to nitpick" --you are lying. You are a wing ding. The end.
Jen- Your parenthetical statement made me laugh the hardest. I don't ever comment, so I didn't realize that people "reluctantly" (or happily, I guess) point out mistakes most of us don't care about.
Not to be bossy, but enjoy the cakes or step off, people!
John- I like the smell of elderberries.
But the hamster? Inconceivable!

Anonymous said...

Thanks for The Princess Bride quote at the end. That made my day!

~Nikki~ said...

Come on... when you are doing something for a major event, such as a WEDDING, would it kill ya to double-check things?! I would never put something of another language onto a cake unless I have checked from several sources that it says the very same thing! LOL... not to mention the fact that anyone with common sense should have seen that the "Thai" writing looked more like alien writing from a sci-fi movie! '


Check out my blog: nikkiscakery.blogspot.com

Suzanne said...

Thank you Jon, for the Python reference in your response to Avenphire. I need to go clean off my monitor now!

wv: reedifi - what these weird fonts do to the English language.

Heaven is a Cupcake said...

Brilliant! And the people correcting you is even funnier :)

Anonymous said...

Wow - tough crowd! Criminitely.

If I start a sentence with "Not to be bossy" -- I am lying because I DO mean to be bossy when I say c'mon, settle down and have fun! Save yer outrage for sites that aren't nearly as clever, witty, and just plain awesome as this one.

~ Cynthia

WV: natherog: There's natherog with today's Cake Wrecks entry.

Tricia L said...

Between all the comments about Princess Bride and Monty Python references, I clearly should be watching more movies.

Anyway, in honor of john's father, the hamster, perhaps we could have some rodent cakes for Father's Day.


wv: brazoole

Erica said...

Cynthia -
I read "natherong" in the accent of Inigo Montoya ...
i.e.: "There's natherong with being so drunk that you can't buy brandy."

Avenphire - If witty comments about computer fonts get you in such a tizzy, I think that you have bigger problems in life. Some that may be solved by getting an actual girlfriend. I'm just sayin...

wv: shins ... There's no fun to be had when the wv is an actual word, like shins! Lame.

The Dream Police Person said...

I hate PCs too, you are officially my hero. :)

Siouxzr said...

Jon, Best apology for non-offensive behavior EVER! And on a weekend too. Total awesomeness!

WV hinghsh: language created when english is translated into Thai and printed in mojibake

Rebecca said...

Avenphire, have fun storming the castle. We'll miss you.

JaneyGrrrl said...

Holy Guacamole!! When did everyone start getting so nit-picky and hostile? Wingdings, Mojibake, crackerjack? Who the heck cares? It was funny. Laugh and move along...

YogaGal in the NW said...

YAYYYYY!!!! BONUS SATURDAY POST! I knew you guys couldn't really stay away on Saturdays!

Awesome wreck AND I think the comments are darn funny too!

Phillip said...

For those that are curious, the Thai text, when de-scrambled, reads "ขอให้โชคดี" which Google translates as "Good luck."

It's Thai text that's been encoded as TIS-620 and then read back as either ISO-8859-1 or Windows-1252. Most likely it was an email sent by a user whose computer is set to Thai to a user whose computer is set to English, and one of them us using a dodgy email client (which either didn't send or didn't recognise the charset header).

Phillip said...

I'd just like to note that whoever actually wrote that on the cake did a decent job of making all the random symbols legible - some of them can be hard to tell apart, but because they did a decent job of it, it was easier to figure out what all the characters were, which made it easier to run it backwards through the scrambler.

Ani said...

*cough* The character in The Princess Bride is actually Westley, not Wesley. *tsk, tsk*
I thought for sure such great Princess Bride fans would know that.

...or maybe it is a sore spot with me since my son's name is Wesley and I am always having people ask me in all seriousness if I named him after "Wesley in the Princess Bride". ;)

Other than that, the scripting is very pretty and the sentiment is lovely. It sure would have been nice, however, if the baker had verified what it should have said. It seems like anyone that has tried to type up half of a term paper at home, then the other half at school would be very familiar with that gibberish.

....but if the decorator had thought of that we wouldn't be having this laugh. :)

Mindy said...

Holy guacamole! When I went to look wistfully at yesterday's post to fortify myself until Sunday Sweets, what a delightful surprise! A Saturday post! (The whole thing, nothing cut off.) And even better, hilarious replies to the comments about John's "immense stupidity and poor lineage" - bonus! John, you really know this crowd to anticipate those comments. Yay for CW!

DMVGirl said...

I don't know if I love you more for the cakes or the Princess Bride references!

grace said...

Thank you, Maren. I will refer to the nitpickers as wingdings from now on.

Debra said...

The most glorious wrecks of all in this fabulous blog are those reading a HUMOR blog with no sense of HUMOR.

Avenphire - EPIC FAIL... don't let the door hit you on the way out!

And John (hubby of Jen) - next time you flame someone so efficiently, please give notice - my nasal passages are now burnt from hot beverage...

Mindy said...

@JaneyGrrrl -
your comment wasn't yet published when I wrote mine- and I almost used the terms "nit-picky and hostile", too. I think Rebecca phrased it best.

~jill said...

wow....Princess Bride and Monty Python in one morning...can life get any better?!

john (the hubby of Jen) said...

Ani,

NO.

WAY.

You are absolutely right. I have seen the move 87 times and I had no idea. Seriously. I bow to your superior PB knowledge and am going to correct it now.

Thanks and Wreck On!

john

mandi said...

Oh, John, husband of Jen. You REALLY need to read the book. The Princess Bride is way better in print. Hilarious. And, you'll learn how to spell all the names. Humperdink

ComfyDenim said...

Oh, Please tell me this was because the decorator lost the page he printed and went to babble fish or used their own computer to type and translate!!!

Please oh please oh please oh please

Anonymous said...

Huh. Stupid people. It took me all of 10 seconds to find that Congratulations, in Thai, is:
ขอแสดงความยินดี

I should be a proofreader for bakers!! Wait, no, then there would be no wrecks for us to enjoy. NVM.

Lisa Marie

More TAZ said...

PCs are the computers of the people, and there is nothing wrong with them that skipping porn sites and having decent virus protection won't protect. Fecking computer elitists. Other than that, hilarious!

Anonymous said...

More Taz,

Exactly right. Just like AT&T was the phone of the people when the phone was first introduced and Ford was the car of the people when cars first came out.

marcia! said...

Bashing on PCs? For the first time with this site, I'm disappointed :( Now, excuse me while I go cry, and then enjoy the merits of upgrading my own video card :p

Gary said...

Not to nitpick, but ...
(What someone says to introduce a nitpick.)

No offense, but ...
(Someone's about to say something offensive. "No offense, but you're a jerk, you smell bad, and your mother dresses you funny.")

This morning I read a story about a politician in Arizona who started a statement with, "I'm not a racist, but ..." and then, of course, said some unbelievably racist things, which I have no intention of repeating here.

More TAZ said...

Anonymous -


When Ford and AT&T (orignally Bell Telephone company) *first came out* they were the only show going. Now we have a choice of phones and autos. (and Ford F150 is still a top selling auto
, and what is the elitist iPhone w/out AT&T?)

It is now like 25 years after personal computers 'came out' and PCs still have more than 85-90% ownership rate over Mac. And there's nothing fundamentally different between today's Mac and PC except compatibility and Price. (I own a PC, and I am trained on a Mac).

Still, the cake was funny/bad.

Gary said...

Note to self:
Do not send in design instructions by e-mail. Print out template and bring it in.

I'm not letting the decorator all the way off the hook. I don't speak or read Thai, but I know what written Thai looks like well enough to know that what ended up on the cake can't be Thai. And if it was a writing system I don't recongize instantly, like Armenian or Amharic, I could at least look it up to see if I was using the right alphabet.

Greer said...

Great post! Love Princess Bride!

One suggestion: I find it confusing when you change your original post without letting us know. I start reading the comments and nothing matches what people are commenting on. I rather like the convention of striking through the original text and putting the correction next to it. It's easier to follow, and feels more honest. Just MHO.

Keep up the great wrecks!

Anonymous said...

LOLOL, but it actiually was well done

Anonymous said...

Um.... actually, in defense of the baker, if he DID get that order by email, it's probably not his fault..

Had I been the baker, I really wouldn't have known the difference, since I've not ever been to Thailand, and have NO idea what their alphabet looks like.

Maybe we ought to poke some tsk-ing towards the orderer, who probably should have presented himself at the baker's place of business with the message WRITTEN OUT? But of course, we all know that doing so doesn't always guarantee that the cake turns out as conceived.

vertizoo said...

@ Ari...

really? Reeeeaaally?
In a world where instructions get frosted onto expensive (underneat that) cakes (all the way across) for festive and PHOTOGRAPHED occasions (Happy Birthday Down Here) you are expecting enough professionalism and initiative to actually go back to the computer and verify that the gibberish is what the customer intended to have on the cake???
GUFFAW! CWs are eternal!

Cheesecake said...

I think Ian the Computer Nerd is hot.

Anonymous said...

I never got your "The Princess Bride" references until I finally read that book. Now I see them everywhere! ;)

More TAZ said...

Gary,

Printing out InDesign instructions would be a total hoot. Hahahaha...good one. I would have used a Paint program, or written it out and faxed it over. (They still make faxes, no?)

Ashlee said...

Hahaha! Oh man, I love this blog; it's keeps me going throughout the day. Your commentaries are what make it especially funny ^_^

Keeley said...

Yay, an unexpected Saturday post, with gibberish, Monty Python and the Princess Bride. Oh, and a swipe at PCs, thank you very much :)

I suggest if you are offended by today's post, you drink a mai tai or two and then read it again. Or if you are descended from hamsters and elderberry-perfumed parents, drink some elderberry wine in a very small glass.

Keeley said...

Also, the real Thai typeface is very pretty. Too bad I can't read it, or I'd love to have it on my birthday cake. What a potential for wrecks: Thai phrase of Happy Birthday, with English translation below. I can see the carnage now.

Julia said...

What IS IT with people getting SO offended about PC vs. Mac?? It's a computer! Who the heck CARES if someone likes Mac or PC better, or makes jokes about one or the other??? If you're going to get offended about something, it should at least be because someone's attacking your personal character or something, NOT your choice of computer. Geez!

John, you rock. :0)

Anonymous said...

Totally love the Princess Bride reference. (Apparently, I got in here AFTER all the 'corrections' were made)

To 'not to nitpick'.... yes, you are and you meant to.

To 'not wingdings'... like, who really uses the weird stuff anyway? Gibberish, is gibberish; lovely that we now have a gibberish word to describe gibberish.

I would like to note that other than the odd characters, that is one very pretty cake, and one very talented decorator.

By odd characters - I am refering to the alpha characters on the cake, not the oddballs viewing the cake or commenting about it.

Haughtily, as ever when viewing this site
~~ Buttercup

ecuakim said...

That is the saddest wreck I've seen thusfar, because it is such a BEAUTIFUL CAKE! Such a shame. And honestly, you have the nitpickin'est bunch of readers! Why are all these people constantly on your case about silly things (ie. wingdings vs. mojibake and a missing s)?!? This is supposed to be FUN!!! I love your website; you make me laugh daily, and I think everyone should just lighten up!

George said...

Wow Avenphire and everyone else coping an attitude, LIGHTEN THE FREAK UP! So not everyone is as great and mighty as you and knows every font, either educate politely or don't comment at all.

Geesh

Wolvie Girl said...

Wingding schmingdings - it spells cIaEeaaoO which, let's face it, is gibberish.

@ Ani: When you said your son's name is Wesley my first thought was "is he names after Wesley Crusher or John Wesley?"

Oh and to all of you who sneer at PC users: I fart in your general direction!

John and Sarah Sperry said...

I agree with others, it's a lovely cake and such a shame that it was screwed up so royally.

Lexy said...

I couldn't agree with Avenphire more. I hate reading personal comments in blog posts which have nothing to do with the post in question. All computers, Macs and PC's have language packs installed., it's the bakers fault; not a computers. Don't post your personal feelings on a blog which likely has more PC users than Mac users.

Tomara said...

You have great taste in movies!

john (the hubby of Jen) said...

Lexy,

It was a joke. Technically, Princess Bride has nothing to do with cake either. It was just gentle kidding around with the 90% of the world that uses PCs.

john

Anonymous said...

Jen and John (the hubby of Jen), I read daily, never comment, but today's comments inspired me. People, people....really? We're going to fight PC vs Mac on a CAKEWRECKS blog? Why do we care if it's wingdings, mojibake or gibberish? The point is that it is NOT Thai! Get a life, look through the posts, laugh and lighten up. I "heart" cakewrecks!

Aliza said...

@Anonymous at 1:45... ROFLMAO!!! Love it. (I'm not siding with any one platform: I am both Mac & PC, which I suppose makes me just confused . I'm just appreciating a good heckle!).

John... I think your parentage was just fine, given you're such a good sport about all our posts. Or maybe your mother uses those elderberries to make you delicious and mood-mellowing mead?

As for the beautifully-decorated cake, I think the lesson is that if you're sending in wording in a foreign language, send it as a .pdf attachment or .jpg. That way, it doesn't matter what fonts the receiving computer uses to display the ASCII codes! And thanks to the techies here for explaining why such horrors can happen.

I happen to recognize Thai (can't read it, but sure can admire it-- IMO it and Arabic are probably the two most beautiful writing, if you rule out calligraphy). And to out-picky all the humourless picky types, that font isn't gibberish or wingdings! All those characters are present even in your standard font sets. Looks to me like the cents symbol, and letters with French, German and Spanish accents. Plus two symbols I don't know but are probably of a similar nature (and, I'm sure, someone will tell me ;)

WV 'nonpare'-- French, literally "not ready" (but not actually a word). As in, je pense que ce gateaux est 'nonpare' pour le "big time".

Anonymous said...

Inconceivable!! Beautiful Wreck, though.


PC=personal computer

Many a MAC is a PC, 0.o. Thanks for the laugh. ><

Linux rules!!

Donna M. said...

I was expecting to see a bunch of little squares...which is what my pc (wouldn't use a mac it were the last computer on earth) would do if it doesn't recognize a font.

I am surprised the decorator didn't find something to verify the Thai wording though...that's quite obviously not any Asian font that I know of.

Anonymous said...

Dear sir,

My name is Irving Tirdbergler and I am truly disappointed that you chose to besmirch the good name of Commodore 64. I have used that system for more than 20 years and I have been an avid reader of Cake Wrecks in Dos since the beginning. This was the final straw! Good Bye.

I. P. Tirdbergler

Arlene said...

That cake is so pretty what a shame they didn't bother to fix the computer font thing.. though I wouldn't know the difference if it bit me in the butt lol.

randmberta said...

Wow....people are so funny. You even call it in the post...and yet, there are still folks who manage to get offended and then feel the need to tell you about it.

My faith in the human race grows dimmer every day.

Awesome blog. Keep writing, despite the sensitive ones.

wv: midalife- it's like mid-life but with a strong offensive accent.

purplewowies said...

@Lexi - Yes, "all" computers in the US have European language packs installed. But not "all" computers have Asian language packs. Case in point, my dad's XP, one of "all" the computers in existence, that has no Asian language packs. That's why whenever I go to a Japanese site, it asks to install the Japanese font pack, which I can't do because I'm in a limited account on his computer. However, on this computer I have Asian font packs, so it's no problem. :p

On the subject of the cake, however, I love that they kept it in the notepad-looking font that you always see with screwed up coding. It's like they thought, "Hmm, I wonder if that's part of the meaning. Welp, might as well keep it!"

Haley said...

Awwww poor Avenphire is offended by John's improper appellation for a font!!! Bwess his hawrt! I'm just teasing, but really, calm down-it's a font, not the Security Council. :-)

Scarlett Robyn said...

Mwa ha ha ha hah!!!!
HILARIOUS as usual, thanx!!
Scarlett Robyn

Typo Tat said...

As a user of a language that doesn't always come in the default packs (Hebrew), I'd like to tell you that I had more tough spots with my Mac than with my PC where language is concerned. I've also heard several Linux horror stories from people who use it.

Windows has pretty great language support nowadays.

FortMax said...

Calling it "gibberish" is correct, since that's what Mojibake is. Specifically, Mojibake is the gibberish formed by software not rendering text correctly.

However, Mojibake isn't a font.

Anonymous said...

A....Post...on....Saturday.....and...Princess....Bride?.....YESSSSSSS! thank you Jen and John for insiring a non-commenter to comment.
Bella Thomas

WV: Monstshe Hmmmmm...

Shannon said...

I love that I can come here for my fill of "The Princess Bride" quotes. I often quote that movie in emails, and no one ever notices. What is this world coming to?!

Anonymous said...

Lexy, what are blogs for if not for posting one's "personal feelings"? If there's one thing that rankles me, it's when a commenter tells a blogger what to post or not to post.

Melanie

Moggypie said...

I wonder if the Moji-baker used a font-dant icing.

Tiny Dancer said...

Jen, John (the husband of Jen) and every single commenter -- Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! My DH was showing me pictures of cakes on his computer. I remembered this site, found it to show him, and was instantly entranced! The cake is beautiful. Princess Bride refs are always welcome and the humor or lack thereof of the comments made my day.

Anonymous said...

Ahh, that's a good one. And such PRETTY gibberish, too.

Helena-chan said...

rofl >.< as already said, it isn't wingdings. and it is a pretty cake otherwise. but it was still pretty freakin' funny. and I love the Princess Bride reference at the end. Just saw it today for the 50th time XD... but yesh... my name is inigo montoya *is slapped*

Anonymous said...

I did it! i converted it to Thai and English. ¢ÍãËé⪤´Õ = ขอ ให้โชคดี = Good luck, so did it get baked again? from Unicode -> TIS-620 -> Google to verify and English translate.

throwingames said...

@Avenphire he was just joking around jeez no need to threaten to stop reading the blog. :|


Anyways...at least the cake was pretty! Haha.

hyphen8 said...

Ah, the wonders of linkage: all the little side trips you send me off on. Thanks for mojibake: great word.

Definitely *read* The Princess Bride if you haven't already. I loved the movie, but I loved the book first.

Reading all the comments, I (finally) figured out what wv was...after I'd unsuccessfully googled it and gotten a ton of West Virginia links. :p